So, I am just back from Houston, and am quite encouraged the response to my presentation by the same basic title concerning works and faith. This isn’t exactly a problem of debating whether a believer ‘must’ have works, but rather if one can discern ‘true-and-saving-faith’ from another’s works.
I’m a skeptic (as some of you know from my recent work, Back to Faith).
Here’s a bit of the logic I shared (called Affirming the Consequent)…which is a basic logical fallacy.
Here’s how it works (or doesn’t, as the case may be):
If it rain, the streets will be wet.
The streets are wet, therefore it rained.
This is clearly flawed because there can be other reasons for wet streets (dew, street cleaners, broken water main, etc.). It turns out that anything which works this way is a fallacy.
If x (rain), then y (wet streets).
y (wet streets), therefore x (rain)
…is wrong / invalid.
So, try it with faith and works!
If faith (x), then works (y).
Works (y), therefore faith (x).
False. The truth is that someone can do works for many reasons, including trying to work really hard to prove to God they deserve His favor!
Just because you see someone’s works, it doesn’t mean they have faith.
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Even more intriguing is the fact that two Bible passages state that believers can basically be works-less (fruitless).
“And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.” (Titus 3:14, ESV)
“For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:8, ESV)
In Greek, the word ‘unfruitful’ is exactly the meaning in the original language (not + fruit).
Crazy how much judging we like to do! Let’s let folks of the hook and keep sharing grace!
Grace and Truth,
Fred Lybrand
Such good stuff bro. Fred! Had a great illustration of this just today! It was beautiful outside & I was finally able to mow the yard! But the silly mower wouldn’t start, so I was all dirty & oily, trying to get the blasted thang to start! From the outside I didn’t probably look very “faithy!” But, the some Russellites, aka, Jehovah’s Witnesses came up, very nicely dressed & mannered! But though we couldn’t have told it by our “works” at the moment, I am trusting in Christ for salvation & they are working very very hard to earn their salvation. Unfortunately I am afraid many churchmembers may be working for it as well.
Very nice…exactly. I’m noticing as well that we aren’t the same ‘sinners’ if it is all about works…because the same works aren’t required for everyone (rich young ruler vs. zacchaeus).
Keep at it!
FRL
Found this while searching for your FGA-linked audio file of the same name. Totally agree though that affirming the consequent is at the heart of what’s logically wrong with looking to works (ours or others) to prove salvation.